Inside the Trump ‘Regime Change’ with Jonathan Swan
Jul 13, 2026 •
New York Times journalist Jonathan Swan is famous for his trainwreck interview with Donald Trump at the height of covid.
Now, he’s exposing the US president again with a forensic look at what he says was the most consequential year of an American presidency in our lifetime.
Donald Trump’s first presidency was defined by chaos – but also by the people around him trying to contain it.
Swan says the second term is different. Trump has returned to the White House with a tighter circle of loyalists, and far fewer people willing to say no.
In a new book Regime Change co-authored with Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan goes inside the first 14 months of Trump’s return to power, documenting a presidency using the machinery of government to punish enemies, pressure institutions and test what one president can get away with.
Today, Jonathan Swan, on Trump’s second term – and how he’s changed America forever.
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Inside the Trump ‘Regime Change’ with Jonathan Swan
1981 • Jul 13, 2026
Inside the Trump ‘Regime Change’ with Jonathan Swan
New York Times journalist Jonathan Swan is famous for his trainwreck interview with Donald Trump at the height of covid.
Now, he’s exposing the US president again with a forensic look at what he says was the most consequential year of an American presidency in our lifetime.
Donald Trump’s first presidency was defined by chaos – but also by the people around him trying to contain it.
Swan says the second term is different. Trump has returned to the White House with a tighter circle of loyalists, and far fewer people willing to say no.
In a new book Regime Change co-authored with Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan goes inside the first 14 months of Trump’s return to power, documenting a presidency using the machinery of government to punish enemies, pressure institutions and test what one president can get away with.
Today, Jonathan Swan, on Trump’s second term – and how he’s changed America forever.
If you enjoy 7am, the best way you can support us is by making a contribution at 7ampodcast.com.au/support.
Guest: Co-author of Regime Change Jonathan Swan
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